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ABSTRACTED MINUTES - ASSOCIATION MEETING, November 2009...

Attendees ... Delegates from:- Apologies from:-
The Executive ...
  • President
  • Secretary

 

  • Carlingford
  • Hawkesbury
  • Baulkham Hills
  • Rouse Hill
  • Schofields
  • Castle Hill
  • Kings Langley
  • Kellyville
  • Workers
  • Pirates
  • Winston Hills
  • Oakville
  • Vice President

  • Correspondence inwards and outwards was tabled.
  • Minutes from the previous meeting were taken as read.

Secretary's Report
Mr Yard provided this written report ...

• The re-grades of the Under 14 competitions have been completed and draws are on the web site. The ‘new’ draws will have a ripple effect with diamond allocations in other competitions. I’ll advise those changes later together with some further changes to avoid games ‘overlapping’ into each other.

As foreshadowed the Street North competition has been collapsed with Baulkham Hills, Oakville and Carlingford being included in Street West while Hawkesbury have moved to Hay League.

If this had not occurred we would have had the ludicrous situation of conducting three four team competitions each with a three game final series. There is nothing to suggest that Baulkham Hills, Oakville or Carlingford are anything other than, dare I say it, second division teams – certainly Baulkham Hills are as the club has a Hay League team. All teams that were in Street North were defeated on Saturday.

The only problem maybe how the points score finish. Hawkesbury are well placed if taking its 14 competition points with it. In Street West all three clubs being transferred from Street North will be out of the top four. This may or may not be a problem depending on the game results from here on in….but really once the Representative Season concludes on 5th December teams should be able to be ‘Masters of their own destiny’ with their results.

Same applies to Rouse Hill and Blacktown going ‘down’ to Street South. Both these teams were defeated in the Southern Conference games on Saturday.

Because of the lateness of the redraws the draws do not have teams playing each other an equal number of times. It was either use the maximum available weeks or have teams play as few as 15 games in the season – that was not considered an option..

There would only be one other re grade I would consider – it is in Cashmore North where I would ‘swap’ Castle Hill in North with Kellyville. Kellyville is very well graded especially with Kellyville’s ’acquisition’ this season of a pitcher in Kieran Marsh.

It would be an easy re draw to achieve – straight substitution of teams. I was initially concerned about the standard of Winston Hills in this grade – however Winston Hills has indicated that it wishes to remain in Street North. The fairest time to effect this redraw is after the completion of a full round in Cashmore South (21st November) however that is only weeks into a seven week round of Cashmore North.

• In the next week we will begin promoting and accepting player nominations for the January Holiday Little League competition. Hopefully we will be able to use the email system to contact players. Clubs are also requested to advertise the competition among its teams.

There is an upper limit with available spaces there is a maximum of six teams with 12 players in each. That is a total of 72 players. The proposed letter to players is included in the correspondence.

• There have been two Judiciaries conducted in November.

Peter Theos was ejected in a game in Cashmore South.

He was found guilty of not complying with a reasonable request of the Umpire. There was no suspension imposed. The Judiciary was influenced by the Umpire’s evidence that he had no objection to Coach Theos’ attitude toward him or the language used. It was also considered that the situation was exacerbated by a ‘break down’ in the procedure of the way protests are noted in the scorebook. Both parties were at fault in this aspect

Hayden Bray was ejected in a T Ball game in Jeff Catt League. He was charged with Unsportsmanlike behaviour and abuse of an Umpire

From the written reports submitted in support of Hayden it would appear that there certainly was a level of antagonism throughout the game. Clearly the Castle Hill parents considered the collision which sparked the incident to be deliberate. The Umpire however did not think the collision was deliberate. The Judiciary was not completely satisfied that the charge of Unsportsmanlike behaviour and abuse of an Umpire were proven. It did however consider that there was a level of antogism in the game in which Hayden had a role to play at toward the end of the game, but he was not solely responsible for the problem.

It was also found that Hayden was guilty of addressing the Umpire in a degrotary and condescending manner. There was no penalty imposed.

When you read the parent’s report you may wish to take some matters further – however unless something changes any committee will run into the same problems of apportioning blame as the Judiciary encountered.

There is a recommendation that the anti collision rule be strengthened by rewording it to include words recklessly, intentionally or carelessly making contact with an opponent.

In both instances the Coaches ejected have been found guilty and this will be recorded in the Judiciary Register that has been established.

• The Ground Officials Vests have been ordered and delivery will be by end of November.

• Still have still to distribute the Thermo hydrographs to those Clubs not at the last meeting - they will be distributed tonight.

• Dennis Grogan has resigned as Delegate for Rouse Hill. Dennis’ replacement is James Power. We would like to thank Dennis for his contribution to Hills and certainly hope that he will return sometime in the future.

• The replay date (14 November) for those games washed out on 3rd October is drawing neigh. I am working on ‘old’ information as far as games played– I am a week behind working on information as at 31 October.

I cannot see any extension to the replay date … we were 'generous' in the first place allowing six weeks because of the School Holiday period.

As usual with Midweek or Replays the date always appear as something they have 'plenty of time' to organize...and do almost nothing. Games not played as at the weekend of 31st October were

  • Youth League 1, Cashmore North 1, Cashmore South 1, Hay 1, Street West 2,
    Street South 4 (all games), Douglass 2, Leonard North 3 (all games),
    Leonard South 4 (all games), Bergan 2, Petroff 1, Daisley 2, Vigenser 2,
    Under 8 unsure as results are unclear – however there is certainly one game not played.

This supports the theory that the further you go down in grades you go the less interest there is.

The next critical date will be 19th December, which is the date that the first of the mid-week games have to be completed by.

• BNSW issued an instruction requiring all Live- ball players, Coaches, Umpires and Volunteers to sign a Code of Conduct form.

Peter Schmidt has examined the Hills Clubs registration forms and consider that there is only one club does not comply with the BNSW requirement. That club has agreed to do so this season.

As an aside ‘Imitation is the greatest compliment’ – the letter from the JLSC is almost as though the person writing the letter had the BSC Report in front of them

• We certainly had an issue with the Under 16 State Team shutting down all State team and ‘train on squad’ players from pitching and catching on Friday to play a scrimmage game in front of a USA Scout on Saturday. Did not even inform us that the ‘Train On’ players were required.

This ban had an adverse effect on Winston Hill which has five State Players. I did attempt to swap the rounds of the competition to give Winston Hills the Bye, however Castle Hill’s Coaches could not alter arrangements they had made.

To have this ‘dropped on’ a team / Association on a Tuesday or Wednesday is just unacceptable. This was nothing to do with the State Team, two months from the National Championship, urgently needing to play under game conditions, rather appearing a lot to do with the visit of a USA Scout. This is another illustration of the regard that local competitions/ Associations are held by BNSW.

Among the correspondence forwarded to clubs this month were

* Opportunity to host Under 12 Final Series (5th and 6th December)
* Sport Youth and Recreation Course
* Free Community Coach Training Program
* Details of a Manly Gala Day

• Hills fared well in the State Team selections

Under 16 have eight players selected: Jake Austin, Harrison Garrett, Jordan Greenlees – Brown, Josh Guyer, Jackson Reynolds, Andrew Riddell, Zachary Shepherd and Dominic Woodward. Ethan Cattell is the 20th player

Under 14 have five Hills’ players selected, they are: Bryce Clarke, Dean Frew, Joel Dyer, Cameron Power and Mika Zammit.

• The Under 12 and 14 Representative Teams have completed the first section of the Representative Season and both are undefeated.

Phase 2 of the competition commences next Sunday where the top four teams play a round robin that does nothing other than determining the ranking for the final series on 5th December. Each team will have two of the three games ‘at home’.

Unfortunately, it will mean four continuous weeks of restrictions affecting club teams for no real purpose.

The Under 16 team suffered its first defeat last Sunday. Worst still is the fact that Peter Olson is likely to be suspended for two weeks for a breach of a Protection Rule.

Rarely do we boast about our success at representative level, however what the Under 12 team achieved in its 16-0 win over Manly was nothing less than outstanding. In a six innings game, the team used three pitchers, who threw between them a total of 56 pitchers. That is an absolutely outstanding achievement, not only by the pitchers but by the field players supporting the pitchers.

• We will again offer at least two holiday camps in January plus special Hitting Clinics.
The dates of the camps will be 5th -7th , 12th-14th and 19th – 21st January.
Minimum age continues to be 9 years of age

• I am suggesting a three game round robin final in Douglass League. Already we have two competitions within one with Castle Hill’s two teams and Baulkham Hills in Douglass and Hawkesbury, Winston Hills and Kellyville in the ‘Plate’ Competition. The suggestion is a three game round robin (one round being a mid week) with the two leading teams after that mini series to meet in Grand Final.

If the midweek is unacceptable then a week has to ‘shaved’ off the draw to allow the first of the three games to be played on 27th February.

The Secretary’s report was accepted.


NSWJBL Report ...

Mr. Schmidt reported on the October meeting.

The meeting declined an invitation to attend a tournament in the Philippines.  The decision was influenced by the current DFAT warning suggesting tourists do not travel to Philippines.

Manly has decided not to re-affiliate with NSWJBL.


There has been a reduction in membership fees – the fees are now $50 membership and $1.10 per player.

Club affiliation is now possible. The cost is $20 per club plus $1.10 per player – members of Associate members will be able to trial. Associate members have no voting rights. Non members will only be allowed to trial if there are vacancies. There is an extra cost of $220 applicable to non members


BNSW Junior League Standing Committee (JLSC) Report ...
  • Mr. Whatson advised that he did not attend the meeting. 

  • The Under 12 SJC finals are not to be held at BOP as scheduled.  BNSW have invited applications to host the Under 12 Final Series.

  • There is no meeting scheduled for November.


Treasurer's Report ...
  • Statement of Financial Position was presented.
  • Payments were approved.
  • Debtors and liabilities were disclosed.

General Business ...


Castle Hill Graduation
-  Mr. Niemi advised that the tentative date for the Club’s Under 10 Graduation Gala Day is 31st January, 2010.

ModBall moving to Live Ball - Mr. Blundell asked whether it is intended that ModBall would be ‘moving’ to Live Ball after Christmas.  In reply, Mr. Yard advised that there is no intention of this being implemented.

T Ball Rules – Mr. Brown advised that there were still problems being encountered in T Ball with style of the bases and balls being used.  Mr. Yard advised that these matters had been addressed and (he believes) resolved with the clubs involved.

Kellyville Gala Day – Mr. Petrone advised that the Kellyville Under 9 Gala Day has attracted entries from 14 teams – a good result.

High Performance Bats – Mr. Whatson advised that the illegal use of the High Performance Bats (Sleaths, Carbon Fibre etc.) continue to be used in Douglass League, as a result of coaches making ‘sweetheart deals’!

Mr. Yard advised that he believes that the situation is exactly the same in Hay League. Mr. Yard stated that the only way the use of ‘illegal’ bats will be overcome is that teams will automatically lose any game in which the bats are used.

Jeff Catt Premier T Ball  –  Mr. Grogan advised that he was wary of playing Under 12 with Under 10 in the combined Catt Premier T Ball League.

Mr. Yard advised that the ‘feedback’ from the clubs that the Under 12 teams were extremely weak.

In response to a question re trophies for that competition, Mr. Yard advised that trophies will be awarded to the leading teams in both Under 10 and Under 12 competitions.  Both competitions will be ‘first past the post’, there will be no semi finals.

Washed out games - Mr. Yard advised that there is no need to replay the washed out Under 8 Akers East and South  Conferences.

Mr. Yard expressed doubts that all the Live Ball washed out games will be replayed prior to the cut off date.

Score Book - Mr. Yard had a sample of a smaller 13 line score book which may be ideal for T Ball and lower graded competitions.  The book contains all the information the larger score books have. The book is relatively cheap at approximately $8.50.

Cashmore Leagues – Mr. Power asked whether the Cashmore League games drawn for Murray Farm on 19th December would be transferred.

Mr. Yard replied that there was a consideration of swapping teams between Cashmore North and Cashmore South.  If that did not occur the two games will be switched to Muirfield. 

Umpire Development – Mr. Power advised that Carlingford has an Umpire Development Program in place.  Unfortunately some coaches and parents are giving these younger people a really hard time.

Mr. Schmidt advised that Hills had hoped to introduce the ‘Yellow Vest’ Program for training of umpires by now.  It was a recommendation of the BSC but has fallen behind schedule, mainly as a result of other policies being introduced. The culture of the ‘Yellow Vest’ Program is ‘hands off’ Umpires/Referees who are virtually ‘ in training.

As an interim measure Mr. Schmidt suggested that clubs go to the ‘Sports Rage’ website where there are complete kits available.

Results – Mr. Yard advised that it is disappointing to report that not all clubs are advising their teams’ results.  The non submission of Results is easily identified on the competition weekly standings as they are shaded in Blue.  Carlingford and Castle Hill have both been offenders.

If the practice continues, there will be no warnings given rather a fine will be introduced.


NEXT MEETING is December 8th in Sport & Rec room at Fred Caterson Reserve