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ABSTRACTED MINUTES - ASSOCIATION MEETING, February 2008...

Attendees ... Delegates from:- Apologies from:-
The Executive ...
  • President
  • Vice President
  • Secretary
  • LL Commissioner
  • Rouse Hill
  • Castle Hill
  • Baulkham Hills
  • Carlingford
  • Kellyville
  • Schofields
  • Hawkesbury
  • Oakville
  • Winston Hills
  • Kings Langley

  • Correspondence inwards and outwards was tabled.
  • Minutes from the previous meeting were taken as read.

Secretary's Report
Mr Yard provided this written report ...

Competition status

The wet weather continues to play havoc with the replay of previously washed out games and un-played midweek games. Just to make it worse all games were washed out on Saturday. It could have been worse as we certainly ‘dodged a bullet’ the previous Saturday.

There have been changes to the replay schedule for this week to ensure all teams have an equal opportunity to qualify for the finals. Our problem is now if the grounds are (i) open and (ii) are in good enough condition to play on – the ‘dressing’ of the diamonds given the length of the grass will be a problem.

We have cancelled the replays in Youth League this week and Friday’s games will be a ‘shoot out’ to (i) determine the minor premiership and (ii) fourth place.

The other replays that have been altered for this week are Cashmore South, Hay League, Leonard South, and Leonard East.

I am reasonably confident that there will be no team disadvantaged all teams will have their chances ‘on their bats’. It means that teams simply have to win what are now ‘crunch’ games.

It is theoretically possible to play some of the un-played games next week - but I am not in favour of it. Next week should be reserved for any teams playing off for fourth place - if Lansvale and Kellyville draw on Friday they are still equal and would then have to play off for fourth.

Certainly not prepared to use up our one available week for a grand final replays if weather is again bad - to allow teams to catch up on games that up until now were unimportant to them. Our problem is the same each and every year - individual teams just won't organize themselves early on. The good teams manage. The washout date has been extended once - so it becomes a result of actions and consequences.

The replays in Petroff, Daisley and Catt can roll though until 1 March as scheduled with adjustments to pick up last Saturday games.

We had to take control in January of the un-played games as it was obvious that some teams were not being treated equally (and could not have been) due to the other decisions taken. Teams were picking and choosing who they played. The result was becoming total and utter chaos. I am convinced that left to their own devices that some teams still would have not tried to play the washed out and midweek games. As it is one team is still four games behind and a few more three games behind.

With the semi finals it is normal practice that if weather interferes with the semi finals the Major Semi Final is not replayed, the Minor Premiers qualify direct for Grand Final. The Minor Semi Final is rescheduled for Monday or Tuesday, with Wednesday as a wash out date. If the games are again washed out, then the third placed team will move through to the next phase of the competition.

Winterball

Yes, Hills will again offer Winter Junior Competitions in Under 11, 13 and 16 age groups. We are quite prepared to conduct the Under 13 competition as a Little League style competition – finding coaches will be one problem. Under 11 and 13 will be a Sunday Competition. Hopefully the Under 16 will be a Friday night competition. Commencement date will be early to mid April.

Little League

 Little League is in recess until the 20th February. We have had nine games played and need three more games to meet the 12 game minimum. Our thanks to Greg Robinson who accepted the position as Little League Commissioner, he has administered the competition excellently.

There has been a mixed response to the concept. The purists, like me, are disappointed with the playing standard which can only be described as poor. There are some good players but overall the standard is not good. What the competition has achieved is that it has provided players with the opportunity to play a lot more games than normal. It proves that it is possible to play some games in the long Christmas break – a six and seven week break which totally offsets the advantage of a summer sport.

It would not have worked as well as it has without the draft system which is the corner stone of this type of community baseball.

What you are seeing here is not what happens in America. Competitions there are not open ended as to the number of teams. Selection trials are conducted and then the draft is conducted to place the better rated players. Players not considered good enough are left to play in another competition – just not Little League.

Little League with its rules that 12 year olds must play Major League will not work in areas that are club based and graded competitions where clubs rely on the younger players either to make up the numbers or deliver the ‘firepower’. It has a place in the Baseball scene – just not the major scene.

Rep competitions

The representative season will be concluded this weekend, weather permitting. The Under 16 team plays Ryde in the Grand Final on Saturday night. The Under 14 team remains undefeated after the qualifying rounds and the Under 12 team has qualified second. Both these finals will be played Saturday and Sunday.

The Under 14 Association Cup team finished second to Cronulla losing the Grand Final 9-2

The world lost a few trees in a flurry of correspondence after Manly protested the result of an Under 14 representative game against Hills. The protest was groundless and in Hills a club protesting along the same lines would lose its $50 protest fee. The protest was dismissed by Baseball NSW however undeterred Manly intend to appeal the decision tomorrow night.

Judiciary

There has been a Judiciary held as a result of an Under 12 coach being ejected in November. The coach was suspended for the equivalent of four games. In this case he will benefit from some games being washed out. There is another Judiciary needed as a result of a Youth League player and coach.

Age-date changes across the board

One of the biggest decisions you will have to make shortly is whether to change the age groups and the birth date eligibility for the competitions. It may actually be easier to refer to them as actual age competitions 7,10,12,14 and 16 year old competitions

The age eligibility is under the age as at 30 April. I agree that the age cut off should be either before the commencement or at the completion of the competition. 30 April is neither it is just a USA date for Little League as that is when the competition there will start.

Why change is always so difficult to embrace is that the goal posts change. We will be no different. 10 year old age group is not be a real problem as it can provide different Conferences for T Ball, Mod Ball or Live ball. The 12 year old age group makes a little difference because of the playing distance.

Where it does makes a difference is that the 12 year old players born in the first four months of the year, statistically a third of the players, move to the 14 year old and not Under 14. Also with 14 year olds not moving into the 16 year age group it may threaten the viability of that age competition – especially as a graded competition. Both threaten the loss of players at the lower levels of the age group.

Breakaway bases

You need to remember that breakaway bases are mandatory in Hills’ competitions from next summer season. Some clubs have taken advantage of the Co Op program where the cost is discounted by approximately two thirds of the cost. Additional anchors for the bases are available where clubs want to set the bases in on a range of playing distances.

Development

Development activities meant a very busy December and January and it cost Hills some money. To those that took advantage of what we were offering it was money well spent. We were able to utilize the services of Trent Oeltjen. There were hitting sessions conducted for the Under 12 representative team (twice), Kellyville (two or three times), Kings Langley, Winston Hills (twice), Hawkesbury, Oakville, Carlingford, Schofields and Rouse Hill.

We paid Trent for his services but the amount was well under what you would think an American AAA player could command for coaching. He also conducted private coaching of hitters on up to three afternoons a week in December and January.

In addition we continued the pitching and catching instruction on Thursday night. That program was badly disrupted by the weather but on nights it could be held it had up to 30 players involved. Oakville was the club that supported the program the most.

In addition we visited clubs with pitching instruction. Lost track where that program visited. Both it and the Thursday night program were offered free of cost. We paid Trent, Michael Olson for their services. Phil Leonard has still to be paid.

I will want to talk about bats for 12 year olds tonight. What is being sold as legal contravenes our rules and are more expensive than parents need to pay.

There were three camps staged in January and attendance was down due to Little League. While the numbers were down it did allow that we could spend a little more time teaching the various activities. Mindful of the requirements of Little League each of the camps concentrated on hitting (as we had the services of Trent Oeltjen on five of the nine days), pitching / throwing mechanics and fielding.

Other areas covered were double plays, pitcher's cover, drop step, fly balls, relay plays, trailer plays, outfield cuts and relays, soft hands, diving plays, base running, running techniques, backhand plays and the very popular game of 'fumbles'. The players played a game at the end of each day which provided them an opportunity to put into practice their newly taught techniques. In all 52 players attended the camps. The ratio of coach to student was generally better than one in four so players were able to receive individual attention. They resulted in a small profit.

Unfortunately the camps are very hard on ‘equipment’ and some of this is going to have to be replaced. A proportion of the income of camps is going to have to be put aside for replacement of equipment. The majority of the equipment used is mine.

General business

  • I have refused a request to vary a no pitch restriction on Tom Roberts’ dispensation. Tom was given dispensation as a nine year old to play Under 12 Douglass with the normal no pitch condition. The player is obviously not being challenged enough by playing in the infield.
  • Last Monday, Hills along with NSWJBL conducted a hitting Lecture at Demons Sports Club. Trent Oeltjen was the main speaker. Again the intent was not to make money (the profit was not worth the effort) but rather to improve the knowledge of particularly the parents of players and also coaches and the players who attended. Approximately 70 adults and children attended.
  • The final report of the BSC has been received. It was too large a document to be downloaded and copied for to night’s meeting. Certainly our thanks have to go to Kevin Fitzgerald, Andrew Borg and Greg Robinson for a great deal of time and effort in completing what is a very detailed report.
  • In the correspondence there is a letter complaining about the draw for Peter Street North. This is the second complaint which is about is about the number of byes teams receive. I had answered the original query in early December. I must admit I do not understand the query. The draw was a fair one when it was prepared in September.
  •  Clubs need to play more attention to the submitting of results – at times we seem to know more about which games have been played than Club Recorders. It is not the Recorders fault it rests squarely on the shoulders of coaches. It certainly makes decision making difficult.
  • Two former Hills players have signed Professional Contacts to play in USA. Tim Stanford has signed with Texas Rangers and Adam Spencer signed with Chicago Cubs.

You will be asked to consider a recommendation tonight that has the Executive a little confused as to the right course of action.

It relates to a game in Under 12 Leonard East between Schofields and Carlingford. The game was scheduled for Murray Farm midweek in January – the 23rd or 24th . Schofields were concerned that rain was forecast on game day – sent an email the previous day saying that they were going to defer the game. The email was addressed to a work email, but the person was on holidays.

It certainly was an unacceptable method of cancelling a game and unaware of the request Carlingford turned up ready to play but no opposition. The Club advised that the ground was open and play was possible until at least 6pm. Schofields are now saying that there was a severe storm around Riverstone that day and nobody would have wanted to venture out in that weather. The weather was bad that day however we played Little League at Castle Glen that day- but it was wet.

Really the fact there was a storm on game day is immaterial as Schofields were not intending to turn up anyway. We were prepared to replaying the game last week but it was washed out. It cannot be played this week – Schofields are required to play Baulkham Hills Emus who has to play in an attempt to qualify for the final series. That game is just far more important although Carlingford also need to win to have a chance of making the ‘four’.

Seeing the game now cannot be replayed should Carlingford be awarded the game on forfeit?

In addition to the written report, Mr. Yard reported that:

  • The Kenko bats on loan to clubs are to be returned immediately after the team’s last game of the season.
  • The ‘legal’ bats in Under 12 are 2¼” dia., minus 10 weight to length differential. These bats are still available at a cost of $90 which is cheaper than what is being charged for bats which are illegal in Hills’ competitions.
  • Problem in re draw of Daisley League due to a high number of washed out games not played.
  • There are 12 line scorebooks available which are $5 cheaper than the books with ABF logo. The saving to a club is substantial.
  • There is no venue yet announced for the Under 12 representative final.

The Secretary’s report was accepted.


NSWJBL Report ...
Mr. Schmidt reported on the NSWJBL January meeting. Matters discussed were:-
  • The trial dates for the overseas tours were confirmed.

  • Applications for coaches and managers were invited.  Close 23rd March, 2008.


BNSW Junior League Standing Committee (JLSC) Report ...
Mr. Catt reported on the JLSC January meeting. Matters discussed:-
  • Minutes of the meeting were in the correspondence.

  • T. Johnston elected as Chairman of the JLSC

  • Clubs must have a first aid kit available at grounds hosting representative games.

  • There is a Discussion Paper on “Park Ball’


Treasurer's Report ...
  • Statement of Financial Position was presented.
  • Payments were approved.
  • Debtors and liabilities were disclosed.

General Business ...


DISPENSATION POLICY
  Mr. Schmidt advised that there has been no feed back.

Forfeits: Mr. Petrone advised that Quakers Hill did not want to play the washed out game against Kellyville in Douglass League.  Game to be awarded as a win by forfeit to Kellyville. 

Mr. Yard had earlier reported that there was a problem in Under 12 Leonard East, between Schofields and Carlingford.  Schofields attempted to cancel the game a day before, as rain was forecast, but message was sent to a ‘work email’.  Carlingford turned up on the scheduled day and time.  Game was awarded as a forfeit to Carlingford.

In Under 14 Street South, Carlingford failed to attend an arranged game against Castle Hill.  Mr. Borg apologised, admitting it was an internal ‘stuff up’ by Carlingford.

Mr. Bray commented that teams should be fined for forfeiting.  Mr. Schmidt advised that the rules already allow for a fine of $20 to be imposed on teams that forfeit.

Draw Under 14 Street North:  The email from Baulkham Hills complaining about the number of byes in Street North was tabled.  Mr. Yard reported that he thought this was answered in December, but obviously not. Mr. Yard stated that he cannot see a problem given the constraints of the draws. The problem comes about with teams receiving two points for the bye.  Mr. Yard stated that his personal belief is that there should be no points for the bye – having said that, that would not be practical when the draws are not complete rounds.

Little League:  Little League on 20th February will be brought forward to 5.15pm.

Change in age date:  Mr. Yard expressed a concern with the effects of the change to eligibility dates and the age groups.  His concern is that there will be a number of players moving from Under 12 to Under 15.  Players to be eligible for Little League, have to be still 12 as at 30th April, 2009.  The difference is, in the USA system they are to be under the age at the start of the season – in Australia they adopted same date, which is at the end of the season, plus a moth or two.  Next year’s eligibility date will be 1997 birthdates.

Under 10 Graduation Tournament:  Mr. Bray advised that the Castle Hill Under 10 Graduation Tournament has been rescheduled for 2nd March,  2008.

Resignation:  Mr. Bray advised that he would be resigning from the Hills Board of Directors – his replacement would be Ismo Neimi.

Under 8 Gala Day:  Mr. Yard advised that he had considered organising an Under 8 Gala Day on a Sunday, so as to provide more games after, what was a very wet summer. In the end it was decided against organising such a day as it was considered that if the clubs agreed, there was no guarantee that the teams would support it with soccer trials starting.


NEXT MEETING is March 11th in the boardroom of REMA Industries at 7.30pm