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ABSTRACTED MINUTES -
ASSOCIATION MEETING, March 2007... |
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Delegates from:- |
Apologies
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The Executive ...
Visitors ...
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- Kings
Langley
- Castle Hill
- Baulkham
Hills
- Winston
Hills
- Kellyville
- Oakville
- Schofields
- Carlingford
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- In the
absence of Mr Yard, correspondence was not available. It
will be provided to the next meeting.
- Minutes
from the previous meeting were taken as read, with one
amendment. Mr Blundell was in attendance (his name
incorrectly omitted from the list of attendees).
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| Secretary's
Report |
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Mr Yard
provided this written report ...
General ...
What a
busy three weeks, Behavioral Standards Commission, rain,
21st Celebratory Dinner, more rain and final series.
The
Behavioral Standards Commission (BSC) sat for the first
time and was involved in the Castle Hill v Baulkham
Hills Under 17 Youth League game.
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findings of the Commission resulted in three
suspensions. E Bray six games, M Bray suspended for
two games, R Standish suspended for 20 games. All
suspensions are to be served in Hills’ Junior
competition. All three have seven days from last
Tuesday night to appeal.
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Commission members were Kevin Fitzgerald, who was
the independent Chairman, Greg Robinson and Andrew
Borg.
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Both Peter and I were very impressed with the
professionalism of the Commission members. Peter
will have more to say once the appeal period has
passed.
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is worth noting that we know that we may have to
revisit some areas of the games between the two
clubs. Certainly there is a lot of information I
know about that never came to light.
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Hills is serious about eliminating the personal
abuse at players and umpires. I know of four cases
where coaches were warned to control their team's
spectators or the coach would be ejected. Even had a
ground official request that a spectator quieten
down or he would be asked to leave. Had it got to
that stage then the person would have been
considered as being ejected and have to appear
before the BSC.
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is a Zero tolerance approach. Support and barrack
all you like for your team - but leave the personal
insults and attacks on umpires at home. Umpires are
being directed to be even tougher in their control
of the game. Hills' new Behavioral Standards
Commission has 'teeth' and it will be used to get us
to an acceptable level of behavior. Maybe a five
second thought of "that is my son I am yelling at" -
would quell your frustration. Baseball is not a
'blood sport' in Hills. What you do in Major League
we don't care about, that is not our problem.
Children are!
The
dinner celebrating Hills 21st year of operation has had
a reasonable response – at last count there were
approximately 150 people attending – we would really
like 180. We would like more numbers but more
importantly we need to be able to contact with some of
the people who were ‘key’ players way back when.
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Please contact Cheryl Barnier or Moya Muller, (who
are coordinating the attendees for the dinner) if
you have suggestions as to who you consider should
be invited.
Two
questions for another time are:
- Do
we move the start time of games back 30 minutes (to
9am and 11am) next season. We do it in the final
series as we attempt to partly overcome the heavy
dew at this time of the year.
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other is whether we alter the venue of Hills
meeting. Continue to be unimpressed with present
venue.
Rep
competitions
- The
Hills Under 12 won the Under 12 Sydney Junior
Championship. The team went though the three game
final series undefeated. In the process they scored
31 runs for and allowed two against.
- The
Under 14 finished second, beaten on a head to head
count back, having lost to Ryde in the first game of
the final series. Really, given the rules they play
and with only three games the format is sub-optimal.
It is not one thing or another. Luck is the
predominant feature as to who wins Under 12 and 14.
- The
Under 16 faded losing its last two games, Losing to
Ryde in the Major semi final and Greater West in the
final. It has to be said it was a disappointing end
to a disappointing season.
- The
Under 14 Association Cup team also fell at last
hurdle losing to Ryde in the grand final after being
extremely lucky to win its semi final.
The
placings of the three representative teams is enough for
us to win the Brother Lambert Shield.
There is
an attitude problem in Hills older teams that has to be
some how reversed. It starts in Under 14 and almost an
epidemic by Under 16 - it certainly has been bad the
last two years. As a general rule when you have to
select two year players in any representative team –
then basically you are ‘in trouble’. Young players just
do not have the technique, nor the strength, to cope
with older players; maybe they can manage in Under 12
age group but not in older age groups.
Next
year’s Under 12 appear at this stage to have to rely on
a number of two year players. It does not look to be a
‘strong year’. Under 14 have some good ‘little’ players,
we appear to lack size and strength just now.
Development
We, as
an organization are providing some coaching support for
Monica Bergan in her quest to have baseball introduced
as a School Sport. We organized for Trent Oeltjen to
attend one day, he was to attend last week but could not
make it. The cost of coaching is being met by Hills on
the basis that if it attracts new players they may play
in Hills.
Alex
Griffiths is reported to have been selected to represent
Baseball NSW at the World Children’s Baseball Fair.
Hills has had a number of its players who have been
selected to attend the WCBF in past years.
Details
of the winter Development Program are almost set in
concrete. They are
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Under 12 elite Development on Tuesday evenings,
commencing 3 April, 2007. Venue will be Knights
Field (7pm -9pm). Participation will be by
invitation. There will be a charge for this program.
In return Hills will supply training shirt, cap,
theraband and possibly a skipping rope.
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Under 14 elite Development will proceed Under 12
Development at Knights Field (6pm to 7.30).
Participation will by invitation – available only
for players not involved in any other program.
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Development conducted on Sunday mornings for players
aged 9 to 12. The venue will be Castle Glen (9am –
11 am). This is offered at no cost.
- We
are considering a visit to Victoria in the July
school holidays for players involved in the Under 12
Development Program. We have a club prepared to host
the visit.
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There will be a winter competition on Sunday
mornings commencing 15 April for Under 12, 14. Hope
to have an Under 16 competition on Sunday afternoon.
The competition will be club based. Teams will be
found for any individual whose club is not entering
teams.
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The
Secretary’s report was accepted. The floor was opened
for discussion
The
meeting briefly discussed the idea of slipping game
times next season to 9am and 11am. Some thoughts offered
from the floor were:-
Mr
Bray:- the dew problem affects us early and late in the
season, but not in high summer. However, when it does
affect us, the difference between the grounds at 8:30 vs
9:00 is not (usually) dramatic enough to warrant a
change.
Mr
Petrone:- Would aligning the game times to daylight
saving help?
Mrs Trau:-
If we start at 11:00pm, doesn’t this have the potential
to impact Sydney Metro games in the afternoon?
The
meeting made no attempt to resolve the issue, simply to
discuss it in a preliminary manner. It is indeed “a
question for another time” |
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NSWJBL Report ... |
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Mr. Schmidt reported on the NSWJBL
February meeting.
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Discussion on the status of the touring team due to
go to Taiwan. Progress is good. The team won't be
competitive at this level but the experience will
still be enjoyable for all concerned.
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Discussion on Constitutional change required to
update the objects and powers of NSWJBL in response
to the changed circumstances since 2003. It was
discovered that most of the required changes can be
achieved by removing references to NSWJBL
"controlling" junior baseball in Sydney. The rest of
our objects and mandate are unchanged.
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There
has been no further communication from the ABF
regarding their demand for NSWJBL to change its
name. In the absence of advice to the contrary, we
assume that the changes to the website and
Constitution will be enough to allay their fears in
this matter.
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Discussion of the winter touring team programme. All
members were asked to promote this to players and
families.
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BNSW Junior League Standing Committee (JLSC) Report ... |
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None submitted in the absence of Mr Catt.
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| Treasurer's
Report ... |
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Statement of Financial Position was not available in
the absence of Mr Yard
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Held over until next meeting
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| President's
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Mr. Schmidt
tabled a document (previously circulated by email)
titled “Items requiring ratification @ Hills Meeting,
March 13, 2007”.
While
introducing the document, he advised that Mr Yard (from
Taiwan) had expressed some misgivings about some areas
of the section dealing with the Rulebook. Accordingly,
Mr Schmidt advised that he was withdrawing that section
from consideration by the meeting:- it will be held over
to a future date. As the season is now all but over, and
none of the suggested changes were of any real
importance (most are just administrative “catch-up”),
this seemed wise.
Nonetheless, there was some sporadic discussion about
some of the rule issues.
During
this discussion (specifically in respect of Rule 11.1),
Mrs Fox disclosed the problem that Baulkham Hills might
have had in the Youth League Grand Final on Friday
night, regarding available players. This material was
revisited later in the night (See General Business)
The
meeting was then asked to consider the section of the
document dealing with ratifying the actions of the
Executive since the last meeting, concering the creation
and structure of the BSC.
Extensive and prolonged discussion followed.
Motions
were put to the meeting in respect of the four points in
that document, viz:-
1.
The BSC was convened under the authority of the
Constitution which allows a subcommittee to the
Executive to be created. To complete the formality,
I would like this meeting to ratify that action. 2.
The current wording of our Rulebook required
anything notified under the “Notice of Breach”
procedure [Rule 7.9] to be handled by a General
Meeting. Again, I would like the power of the BSC to
hear such complaints, rather than a General Meeting,
ratified.
2. The BSC was created with a charter to sit as
a Disciplinary Panel if required, to hear
allegations of Code of Conduct breaches which are
outside the power of a formal Hills Judiciary. The
requirement is most obvious in a situation where an
umpire did not cite or eject a player:- this is a
requirement for a formal Judiciary to be convened.
However, it was required to use “the same broad
process” as a Judiciary.
3. The Judiciary Procedure sets up an appeal
path for decisions to the Executive. Flowing from
(2) above, I decided that the appeal path from the
BSC should also be to the Executive, rather than to
a General Meeting [as implied by 7.9]. This is
largely because many appeals will need to be dealt
with swiftly, rather than waiting for the next
General Meeting. This needs to be ratified.
4. The appeal process within a Judiciary
requires an appeal to be lodged within 7 days.
However, the work the BSC has done already leads me
to believe that delivery of a documented Judgement
to a respondent might take many days, simply because
of the extremely high quality and wealth of detail
contained in the first few we’ve seen. Therefore, I
altered the procedure to allow an appeal “within 7
days of delivery of the written Judgement.” This
needs to be ratified.
Motions
to ratify the four points were introduced and
unanimously approved.
A fifth
motion was introduced as part of the discussion
regarding Point 4. This was to compel the BSC, when
sitting as a Disciplinary Panel, to issue a written
Judgement within 7 days of the decision being made
(generally at the conclusion of a Panel Hearing). This,
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General Business ... |
Carlingford: Mrs Trau reported that at the
club’s post-season coaches meeting, the consensus on two
issues was as follows, and she asked Hills to consider
these before next season …
- The
three U/8 coaches feel that 1 hour games in teeball
are long enough (currently 1.25 hours)
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Carlingford also asks that consideration be given to
bringing out the tee after 4 balls in the U/11
liveball conference only, rather than issuing a
walk.
Castle Hill: Mr Bray raised two points for
consideration by the League …
1) Pitching Restrictions
He
asked that Hills review our pitching restrictions
for next season. Currently, there are points of
inconsistency between the Hills rules and the BNSW
rules. He was concerned that this:-
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Introduced unnecessary confusion,
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May
expose Hills officials to litigation in the
event of injury to a player where a child threw
(under Hills rules) a greater number of pitches
than he would have done under BNSW rules, and
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That rep coaches governed by BNSW rules may be
disciplined for overpitching if they (in their
role as a club coach) allowed a club player to
pitch to Hills limits rather than BNSW limits.
He
specifically asked whether Hills were subject to
BNSW pitching limits as a BNSW affiliate, and
suggested that other Associations (not specified)
believed that they were.
Mr
Schmidt replied that as it stands, neither Hills nor
any other affiliate are required to
adopt BNSW pitching limits, although all have been
encouraged to do so. The matter will be referred to
the Competition Secretary and the League generally,
for further consideration and comment before next
season.
2) Knights Field future
Mr
Bray declared that Castle Hill were aware that the
intimate environment at Knights may have contributed
to the problems experienced in Youth League games
there this season. Accordingly, the use of Knights
in future for YL was being reviewed by the club,
together with the conditions on which it may be
offered for use in future seasons. He stated that
The League would be consulted in this matter in
order to come to a resolution.
Note:- This is entirely consistent with advice
provided by Mr Yard to the February meeting that
Council had imposed new restrictions on the use of
Knights in exchange for an extension to the curfew
9:30pm:-
Mr Bray leaves the meeting.
Baulkham Hills: Mrs Fox asks the meeting
to consider a Dispensation for Ben Cone (accomplished
U/14 rep player) to play in the Youth League Grand Final
on Friday Night. Mr Schmidt confirms that this is being
put to the meeting only because the time-line involved
makes it possible. If there were no Hills meeting this
week, the matter would have been decided by the
Executive.
- Ben
has previously played during the season, under a
proper dispensation, for this YL team.
- No
paperwork was provided. Mrs Fox gave an assurance
that this was because it was being secured at
training, but that it would be available before
Friday.
- Mrs
Fox outlined the situation …
The
YL team, with a roster of 10, will have two players
away on a school camp in Canberra on Friday, and
they’re not expected to return to William Clarke
College until 6:30pm or later on Friday night. This
puts their participation in a game at Kellyville at
7:15pm at risk.
The
BH team management has arranged for a player from
their Cashmore team to be available as a potential
substitute (in compliance with Rule 4.7) should the
registered players fail to appear at the start of
the game.
They
have also arranged for a parent to drive to Goulburn
to collect the two registered players and bring them
directly to the game, thus avoiding any problems
with the school bus.
Mrs Fox
asked the meeting to consider Dispensation for Ben on
the basis that he would only be used in the event of an
illness or injury to the starting nine players.
Mr
Schmidt offered his support for the application,
primarily based on the extraordinary lengths that the
team management has employed to comply with both the
rules, and the spirit of those rules, in this instance…
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Although the rules allow a team to play only its
nine best roster players in the playoffs, the BH
team has indicated that it wants to play all ten:-
that complies with the spirit of our participation
policies,
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rules require a lower-grade same-age player to be
invited to sub ahead of automatically selecting a
{potentially} better player from a lower Div #1
conference. The BH team complied with this
requirement without complaint, and to their possible
disadvantage,
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fact that a parent would make a 600Km round trip in
order to ensure that roster players can attend on
time goes well beyond “reasonable effort” to comply
with the rules.
The
Dispensation was approved unanimously. Conditions:-
- Ben
can only play in the outfield if used at all,
- He
can only be used in the event of illness/injury if
the starting nine (including the Cashmore sub if
used) is reduced to eight or fewer,
- If
the game starts with the ten roster players and two
are lost through illness/injury, leaving a choice of
whether Ben or the Cashmore player is used as the
first sub, the Cashmore player should fill this
role.
Finally
John Hook suggested that the Cashmore player’s parents
should formally consent to his participation. No
objections to this were heard.
Winston Hills: Mr Hook asked that anyone who is
able to umpire a fixture at the upcoming CHS carnival
contact him urgently. His sister is a convener, so his
interest is personal as well as professional. Approaches
to BNSW Umpires as early as last October have yielded no
response.
President: Mr Schmidt tabled two issues for note
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John Yard was yesterday presented with an award as
“Coach of the Tournament” for his work with the
NSWJBL touring team in Taiwan. This is a huge
accomplishment given the team’s lacklustre on-field
results, and recognises that excellence in coaching
sometimes has more to do with the deportment and
attitude of a team vs whatever the scoreboard says
at the end of a particular game.
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Clubs were advised that nominations are again open
for the Mitchell Commonwealth Sports Achievement
Award. All were invited to contact Mr Schmidt for
nomination forms and further details.
Meeting
closed 9:45pm. |
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MEETING is April 10th at the Baulkham Hills Sporting Club,
7:30pm. |
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